Super annoying reload bug: I don't know what else to do

[adzenith]

I don’t know what to do.
Sublime Text 3 has this bug where it stops reloading my preferences files. I can only get it to refresh them by quitting and restarting the program, because it has to reload them when it opens.
I have no symlinks, and I can remove everything in my packages folder, and it doesn’t fix it.

Literally the only fix I’ve found is to delete the entire Sublime Text 3 folder in Application Support (even completely emptying it doesn’t do the trick), then open Sublime to have it recreated, then simply copy all of my packages back in. Yes, the identical packages and settings under which it just wasn’t working. I’ll then get maybe a day of correct reloading before it stops. This is clearly a bug in Sublime, and it’s existed for a long time.

This bugs the crap out of me. I will give you any information you desire about my setup or my system. Please just help me! I want to write plugins and literally every change I have to restart the entire program.

Thank you for your consideration.

*Edit: clarified that restarting Sublime Text does not actually fix the issue.

[tito]

wow, difficult, some possible solutions:

1. Install in another folder/drive
2. Use the portable version
3. When the problem popups, try to search all files sorted by last modified, and see if some is doing something nasty…
4. Create a pyton script/macro that open all the files sublime-settings and run Save, that should reload the settings of that file…
5. Out of imagination

[qgates]

Hmm. A sideways thought. Have you checked for errors and fixed the disk filesystem(s) recently? You don’t mention the OS you’re running, but sublime’s reload mechanism will likely rely on the notify subsystem in the host OS. If anything’s wrong with the filesystem, the notify system may misbehave - I’ve seen that before on Windows and Linux with other apps, though never with sublime.

Give it a try

[adzenith]

[quote=“tito”]wow, difficult, some possible solutions:

1. Install in another folder/drive

2. Use the portable version

3. When the problem popups, try to search all files sorted by last modified, and see if some is doing something nasty…

4. Create a pyton script/macro that open all the files sublime-settings and run Save, that should reload the settings of that file…

5. Out of imagination[/quote]

6. I only have one drive on this computer.

7. It’s a Mac, so there’s no portable version.

8. I’ll try that next time.

9. The problem is that files don’t reload. If you save them, Sublime just saves them and doesn’t reload them. Saving them extra times doesn’t help.

[adzenith]

[quote=“qgates”]Hmm. A sideways thought. Have you checked for errors and fixed the disk filesystem(s) recently? You don’t mention the OS you’re running, but sublime’s reload mechanism will likely rely on the notify subsystem in the host OS. If anything’s wrong with the filesystem, the notify system may misbehave - I’ve seen that before on Windows and Linux with other apps, though never with sublime.

Give it a try [/quote]

OS X, and no disk problems (just checked!). Also the fact that trashing the application data folder fixes it makes me think it’s not a filesystem problem.

[adzenith]

Happening again! Wooo!!!

[facelessuser]

This happens to me on occasion too. So, you are not alone. I have not been able to find a solution. It only happens once in a while.

[adzenith]

My workaround is this:
Move “Installed Packages”, “Packages”, and my license file out of the data folder.
Delete the data folder.
Reopen Sublime, and quit without even putting in my license.
Delete the autogenerated “Installed Packages” and “Packages” folders.
Move the old “Installed Packages” and “Packages” back, along with the license.
Good to go.

@jps: obviously this isn’t a problem with my packages, because I just move the old ones back in. Deleting all the contents of the data folder doesn’t work; I actually have to delete the folder itself. Let me know if I can give you any other info, because I’d love to see a fix!

[jps]

In your initial post, you indicate that restarting Sublime Text fixes the issue, but then you say you also have to delete the data folder. Can you confirm which action fixes the issue?

If restarting the application doesn’t help, and deleting the directory is required, then it points to an underlying issue in Apple’s FSEvents API. It may be related to feedback.livereload.com/knowledg … -of-certai, for example

[facelessuser]

Personally, I have mainly noticed this issue on Windows. I do most of my coding at work, and I only use Windows at work. For me, restarting fixes the issue. I haven’t noticed it on my OSX machine, but since I don’t code nearly as much on OSX, there is statistically less of a chance of me seeing it there.

So I don’t think this issue only resides with Apple’s API, or maybe adzenith’s issues and mine are similar, but not the same.

[adzenith]

[quote=“jps”]In your initial post, you indicate that restarting Sublime Text fixes the issue, but then you say you also have to delete the data folder. Can you confirm which action fixes the issue?

If restarting the application doesn’t help, and deleting the directory is required, then it points to an underlying issue in Apple’s FSEvents API. It may be related to feedback.livereload.com/knowledg … -of-certai, for example[/quote]

Sorry, I meant that when I restart the program it reads the settings from disk once, on opening. So every time I edit my preferences I have to close the program to get it to reload the settings. That is to say, restarting is a workaround that works only once, and is not a fix.

[jps]

Ah hah, got it.

Given there are known issues with the FSEvents API that appear congruent with the issue you’re seeing (e.g., openradar.appspot.com/10207999), then I’m going to assume that’s what’s happening unless further information comes to light. That link indicates that renaming the folder to a different case and back will fix the issue, so it may be worth giving that a try as a workaround.

[toothrot]

[quote=“facelessuser”]Personally, I have mainly noticed this issue on Windows. I do most of my coding at work, and I only use Windows at work. For me, restarting fixes the issue. I haven’t noticed it on my OSX machine, but since I don’t code nearly as much on OSX, there is statistically less of a chance of me seeing it there.

So I don’t think this issue only resides with Apple’s API, or maybe adzenith’s issues and mine are similar, but not the same.[/quote]

I mentioned a similar issue on windows server 2012 in these threads. hong asked a couple questions, but we never did get to the bottom of anything. It’s still happening.

https://forum.sublimetext.com/t/file-change-detection/21/1#p48908

http://www.sublimetext.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12619&start=20#p49343

[adzenith]

[quote=“jps”]Ah hah, got it.

Given there are known issues with the FSEvents API that appear congruent with the issue you’re seeing (e.g., openradar.appspot.com/10207999), then I’m going to assume that’s what’s happening unless further information comes to light. That link indicates that renaming the folder to a different case and back will fix the issue, so it may be worth giving that a try as a workaround.[/quote]

Thanks, I’ll try that next time and report back if it works! I assume it should, because deleting and recreating the folder works, and it’s obviously much more convenient.

[Kicweed]

Just wanted to report that I’m seeing this on Windows 7 with the latest build (3057). I don’t know if it’s related but I’m syncing my User folder through Dropbox with my OS X machine.

Still, I’m seeing this constantly on my W7 machine. Unless I restart ST it never “gets” the updated preferences.

[Kicweed]

[quote=“adzenith”]My workaround is this:
Move “Installed Packages”, “Packages”, and my license file out of the data folder.
Delete the data folder.
Reopen Sublime, and quit without even putting in my license.
Delete the autogenerated “Installed Packages” and “Packages” folders.
Move the old “Installed Packages” and “Packages” back, along with the license.
Good to go.

@jps: obviously this isn’t a problem with my packages, because I just move the old ones back in. Deleting all the contents of the data folder doesn’t work; I actually have to delete the folder itself. Let me know if I can give you any other info, because I’d love to see a fix![/quote]

I tried this and it didn’t work (both by moving “Installed Packages” & “Packages” **and **by deleting the “Data” folder altogether).

Also I forgot to mention that I’m using the portable version if it matters.

[adzenith]

[quote=“adzenith”]

[quote=“jps”]Ah hah, got it.

Given there are known issues with the FSEvents API that appear congruent with the issue you’re seeing (e.g., openradar.appspot.com/10207999), then I’m going to assume that’s what’s happening unless further information comes to light. That link indicates that renaming the folder to a different case and back will fix the issue, so it may be worth giving that a try as a workaround.[/quote]

Thanks, I’ll try that next time and report back if it works! I assume it should, because deleting and recreating the folder works, and it’s obviously much more convenient.[/quote]

Update: It does not work.
Repro: Quit ST3. Rename the data folder “Sublime Text 3” to “sublime text 3”, then back to “Sublime Text 3”. Open ST3. Reloading still doesn’t work.

From Kicweed’s comments, it sounds like this is a bug on Windows too maybe? Anything else I could try?

[adzenith]

Just in case you thought this was fixed: no, it’s still broken. Any other things you’d like me to try?

[Ksieber]

I had this problem when I symlinked all my preferences to my Dropbox folder. I then changed the symlinks to hard links to maintain the modification timestamp in the Packages folder and it solved my problem.

[adzenith]

As I mentioned in the OP, I have no links in my setup.