Sublime Text 3 Beta

[jps]

[quote=“quarnster”]Any particular reason this is None?

import sublime print(sublime.active_window().active_view())[/quote]

I need to add this to the porting guide. The sublime module isn’t generally available at the top level of a module, due to startup works:

1. Sublime Text starts up, restores the previous session
2. Sublime Text starts the plugin_host
3. Once the plugin_host has started and initialized Python, it tells sublime_text that it’s ready
4. sublime_text tells the plugin_host which modules to load
5. plugin_host loads all the modules
6. plugin_host tells sublime_text that startup has finished. sublime_text will now start servicing the sublime_api module, which means the sublime module is only now available for use.

This is all done so that the application isn’t blocked on plugins doing IO at startup.

[quarnster]

Is there some “load_finished” event or similar so that we know it’s now possible to use the sublime module?

[jboner]

[quote=“jps”]The symbol indexing relies on the .tmLanguage file defining symbols. In general, if you see symbols via Goto Symbol (Ctrl+R / Command+R), then the same symbols should be getting indexed.
If the symbols are showing up in Goto Symbol, but aren’t getting indexed, then a couple of preferences will need to be set in a .tmPreferences file. I’ll happily explain what’s required if this is what you’re seeing.[/quote]

Yeah. That is what is happening. The Goto Symbol works fine as usual, but Goto Definition returns: ‘Unable to find X’
How can I make this work?

Thanks, Jonas.

[bizoo]

Congrats for this new release Jon, so far looks like a high quality build as ever.

For ST3 (Windows) after a quick look at the portable version:
- Overal speed look way better when comparing both portable version of ST.
- Goto Symbol speed is now up to view.find_by_selector speed, and even quicker compared to ST2.
- show_quick_panel has a new on_highlight callback ! Yeah !!! thanks Jon.
- Still no way to know what’s modified on the on_modified event…
- Looks like plugin are loaded in a logical order now (first Default, next builtins followed by user installed and User at last)
- Still no way to add custom information in the status bar (like indentation and syntax) ?

Need to port all my plugins now

[lyubenblagoev]

JSP, I’m a bit disappointed for the short life-cycle of Sublime Text 2. I bought a licence for it when it was at the latest beta stages after I used it for a while. But I’m not willing to pay a licence every few months or every year. Giving access to 3 beta is good thing, but after going through the list of improvements some of them make more sense as a minor updates to the second version. Improved start-up time for example. Performance improvements are something users are expecting as fixes and updates. New functionality, major improvements of the architecture, internal structure or other major components of the software are valid reasons for releasing new major version of our products, not performance updates. No one knows how long will this beta stage continue, and how long we will receive “updates” for it.

I’m looking forward to read your thoughts and plans for the future Sublime Text.

[jps]

[quote=“jboner”]Yeah. That is what is happening. The Goto Symbol works fine as usual, but Goto Definition returns: ‘Unable to find X’
How can I make this work?[/quote]

Firstly, you can see what symbols will be indexed for the current file via entering this in the console:

view.indexed_symbols()

You can also do view.symbols() to see what will be shown in the regular symbol view.

Indexed symbols are controlled by the showInIndexedSymbolList preference, which is defined in .tmPreferences files. Most syntax definitions are covered by the contents of Default/Symbols.tmPreferences, but the scala syntax definition appears to assign scope names differently.

In short, you need to edit “Packages/Scala/Symbols.tmPreferences” and change it to:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
	<key>name</key>
	<string>Symbol List</string>
	<key>scope</key>
	<string>entity.name.function.declaration, entity.name.class.declaration, entity.name.val.declaration, entity.name.type.declaration</string>
	<key>settings</key>
	<dict>
		<key>showInSymbolList</key>
		<integer>1</integer>
		<key>showInIndexedSymbolList</key>
		<integer>1</integer>
	</dict>
	<key>uuid</key>
	<string>31262BFB-520A-4253-A81C-60023C0CFC8B</string>
</dict>
</plist>

The changed lines above are just adding the value for showInIndexedSymbolList. I’ll make this change for the next build, but you can make it locally in the mean time. You’ll need to save the above contents into the Packages/Scala/Symbols.tmPreferences file. This will then override the version that’s stored in Scala.sublime-package.

[tanepiper]

I agree with lyubenblagoev’s sentiment - I understand you’ve been hard at work on the new features for ST3 and appreciate what you’ve been working on, but it does seem that ST2 was beta for a long, long time - got released and now we’re basically paying for another beta period where potentially the app will have issues and not be stable. And I’d say apart from the work you’ve done on symbol loading, many of the features do seem more like a 2.1 release rather than a whole 3.0 release.

Edit: and on top that, most useful plugins won’t be initially compatible, and we’ll have to wait until the author can, or even will, get round to porting these (and that a new version of package manager is made available to support this). Overall it doesn’t feel right that at least some of these improvements aren’t back-ported into ST2.

With that in mid, I’ve already found one bug with HTML autocomplete that will stop be using it for now. I’ve included a screenshot to show it: cl.ly/image/1Z1a2m063A0s

This happens where I type <h and then press tab.

[jps]

JSP, I’m a bit disappointed for the short life-cycle of Sublime Text 2.

The first version of Sublime Text 2 was available to registered users on September 17, 2010, with the most recent build being on September 18, 2012. 2 years of continuous updates is a massive amount. In reality, counting should start from January 18, 2008, as everyone who purchased then received updates until September 2012, four and a half years later.

[juanfal]

How to make a smooth jump? After copying the Library (complete) and change any reference from /Applications/Sublime Text 2.app to /Applications/Sublime Text.app most of my keyboard shortcuts do not work nor latex build… etc.

[lyubenblagoev]

I meant the life cycle of a full featured release, which is meant to be the final version, the major release.
Since a code editor is something all of us uses all the time I’m not interested in using beta, unstable versions of this kind of software. As I noted I bought V2 after it was in beta for a long time. So how long it took to get to a stable release is not something that users appreciate when they give their money for something.

[dafire]

I agree with lyubenblagoev’s sentiment - I understand you’ve been hard at work on the new features for ST3 and appreciate what you’ve been working on, but it does seem that ST2 was beta for a long, long time - got released and now we’re basically paying for another beta period where potentially the app will have issues and not be stable.

I don’t understand that. If you don’t want a unstable version you can use the stable st2 you paid for. It’s not going away and I’m sure it will get bug fixes when needed.

I’ve not read anything about an end of life of st2… was there something in the announcement I overread ? I think there are more people still using python 2 and nobody forces anyone on using python 3 … isn’t it the same with st2 and st3 ?

[tux]

One thing I have noticed: I can’t “Hide” the sidebar until I show something in it. The menu item is disabled.

[j0k]

Does Symbol Indexing

works only for opened files? It seems that if I close a file, Goto Symbol in Project doesn’t find any functions that are inside the closed file. Is there an option to enabled/not enabled?
It works across all open files, and all files listed in the side bar. It sounds like you need to add the relevant folder to the side bar, either by dragging the folder onto the window, or using the “Project/Add Folder to Project” menu.

In fact, this folder is already in the project.
Once the file isn’t open anymore, it can’t find the symbol. But if I open the file, it can find the symbol.

[micromatic]

Thanx jps, i just installed ST3 and I see: the upsetting line break problem has been solved, this is essential to me as I use ST for prose writing!!!

Nice sanx a lot to John

Greetz

[bizoo]

[quote=“lyubenblagoev”]I meant the life cycle of a full featured release, which is meant to be the final version, the major release.
Since a code editor is something all of us uses all the time I’m not interested in using beta, unstable versions of this kind of software. As I noted I bought V2 after it was in beta for a long time. So how long it took to get to a stable release is not something that users appreciate when they give their money for something.[/quote]

I somewhat agree with your feeling as it looks like there’s no more support for ST2.
But OTOH, as a long times user of ST2 back to early beta, I can say that every beta builds of ST2 was more stable than most final builds of most other software.
Maybe it’s a little early now to jump in the ST3 wagon but wait a few weeks and I’m pretty sure the ST3 builds will be perfectly usable as your main editor (if we do not take into account missing plugins).

[tanepiper]

[quote=“dafire”]

I agree with lyubenblagoev’s sentiment - I understand you’ve been hard at work on the new features for ST3 and appreciate what you’ve been working on, but it does seem that ST2 was beta for a long, long time - got released and now we’re basically paying for another beta period where potentially the app will have issues and not be stable.

I don’t understand that. If you don’t want a unstable version you can use the stable st2 you paid for. It’s not going away and I’m sure it will get bug fixes when needed.

I’ve not read anything about an end of life of st2… was there something in the announcement I overread ? I think there are more people still using python 2 and nobody forces anyone on using python 3 … isn’t it the same with st2 and st3 ?[/quote]

There was no mention of anything to do with ST2’s life cycle and that’s kind of the point - we don’t know that, as users who paid during during the beta period, if we’re getting any new 2.x features - for example:

“Speed. Sublime Text has always had speed as a feature, but version 3 addresses some weak points. Startup time is now virtually immediate, and plugins no longer have the opportunity to bring this down. Replace All performance is also significantly faster.”

That to me reads more like ‘I found a bunch of bugs and I’ve fixed the plugin system to it doesn’t crash as much’.

[atomi]

Is there some “load_finished” event or similar so that we know it’s now possible to use the sublime module?

any news on this?

Edited: for posterity

[excalibur1976]

Great news. thanks a lot. i just bought a license in december 2012 and if st3 will be released, and it matches with my workflow that i have with st2, i’ll buy a license of st3. if here will be a upgrade license for less money, it will be nice. if not, i’ll also get it. for me st2 already paid off in a really short time. and i’ll suggest my boss to order company licenses.

tonight i’ll give st3 beta a try

[dafire]

[quote=“tanepiper”]

There was no mention of anything to do with ST2’s life cycle and that’s kind of the point - we don’t know that, as users who paid during during the beta period, if we’re getting any new 2.x features - for example:

“Speed. Sublime Text has always had speed as a feature, but version 3 addresses some weak points. Startup time is now virtually immediate, and plugins no longer have the opportunity to bring this down. Replace All performance is also significantly faster.”

That to me reads more like ‘I found a bunch of bugs and I’ve fixed the plugin system to it doesn’t crash as much’.[/quote]

Do you have a problem with bugs and crashes on st2 ?

Obviously there are major changes to the plugin system and I don’t think that you would want that in st2. Switching vom python 2 to python 3 will probably break most existing addons so it simply won’t make sense to do this for st2.

[frou]

When is Sublime Text 4 likely to be released, requiring another payment?

Serious question, because the fact I’m so surprised by 2 being obsoleted so soon implies I’ve misunderstood how things work here.