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Why buy ST2 is so expensive?

#81

[quote=“GrantSP”]Unbelievable!!

You bleat about getting no support and think the software is too expensive.

If it is so bad why are so many users here talking about how great it is.
What do want Jon to do? Continue working on making a great product or respond to your whining?

All I can say is, if I were Jon I would be glad not having to deal with inconsiderate and ignorant users like you.

If you don’t like something, just walk away from it. Or are you just here to spark a response?[/quote]

I actually love the product and have stated this many times. I hate the lack of respect for his paying customers.

What are we children? No one is whining here, we are making a point and a valid one at that. He is running a business, you buy something you expect support. it doesn’t need to be him, it has to be someone. He can hire someone if he doesn’t want to do it. Expecting support with a product you are paying a premium for (and $70 for a text editor with a $30 upgrade fee around the corner is a premium) is not whining. What you are doing is more akin to whining than anything else, so go put your big boy pants on.

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#82

I have to admit I find the lack of forum notifications annoying as well. It means if I ask a question, I have to come back to see if there are any answers or suggestions.

I don’t believe I am whining. On the one hand, I don’t believe developers become slaves of users. They put out a product, we pay, that’s the deal. And of course Jon can charge what he likes. But on the other hand, I do believe some developers make apps that are pretty good but have bugs or issues that linger, releases that come but only slowly, and so on. In those cases it seems like they are content to let the money flow one way but not to have anything but a single download flow another way. No roadmap etc. In fact that is the entire reason I am here, TextMate is great but obviously the developers were being that way, so I came here.

I only use two paid programs day to day on Mac to make stuff: Sublime Text and Pixelmator. One is a text editor and the other is an image editing programming. Similar sorts of programs for similar demographics. Pixelmator is much less expensive ($15 vs. $70) but I would say it’s a better program, doing more with more polish and documentation. Plus if I have issues, a google search reveals active forums with answers from the company. They don’t always have the answer I’m looking for but at least they’re trying.

So I’m in the position of wanting to love Sublime Text and its community and say $70 is a worthy price, but I can’t endorse it yet. And I’ll pay for the upgrade but I’ll do it grudgingly. If there were a better editor out there I’d switch. Or I’ve thought of writing my own text editor, but I’d rather make games. I just think if I were making a text editor, I’d want my users to pay not just because they are held hostage by there not being a better option, but because I’m offering solid value for their money.

That’s my opinion, call it whining if you will.

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#83

Well, nowdays price is 70$, I have to say it, sublime text is awsome, the best text editor that I have been using around. But yet, st it self is not valuable for 70$ in my opinion, it is a software for 25$ - 50$. What probably does the value of 70$ is the community creating those plugins for sublime, those guys are the people that make using sublime a delightful experience. But not a cent of those 70$ goes to the community sublime supporters. So yes, it is overprice product. But I’m pretty sure that this is one of the reason of why people is moving to vcode ( free and light ). However I still want to buy the license (personal, I have a business license ), I do really thanks developer for sublime existence, but probably a donate option would be appropriate.

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#84

Just want to mention, you said it’s not even an IDE. Well I have 2 PHP IDE’s and I still use SublimeText 90% of the time because it simply works better than my IDE’s!

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#85

I don’t think a store selling $20 gallons of cow milk in slightly prettier packaging than Fairway does becomes more reasonable or less surprising just because you specifically happen to be in the cheese industry; your salary or field is a very small bit of this specific discussion imo.

ITEM : ITEM OWNER’S SALARY is not the most useful metric to determine whether an item’s pricing model is fair; ITEM : OTHER ITEMS OCCUPYING SAME MARKET NICHE, ITEM : OTHER ITEMS SERVING SIMILAR DEMOGRAPHICS, etc. seem more helpful for the discussion for the whole community. I’ve justified buying incredibly specialized tools because I’m a Venetian glassblower by trade, but at the end of the day they’re still $400 scissors. My ability to justify, afford (or write off) the cost of something doesn’t retroactively affect the cost of the item for everybody else.

To answer the t.c.'s question, I honestly think the broadest and simplest answer of “Because there’s nothing stopping them from charging you $60, but there’s also virtually nothing pressuring you to pay $60” is the reason why the devs can charge that much when gedit offers similar syntactical awareness and highlighting, and .xml themes, and vim offers a similarly community-developed platform for plugins (or two, in vim’s case).

If Sublime constantly showed pop-ups interrupting your work onscreen, or limited your ability to save, or even attempted to justify the cost with a bunch of poor-me, it cost $x to develop this and $y to develop that…nobody would feel the urge to support them, small/indie company or not.

They’ve hit a really good balance between self-confidence (“we know we’re charging more than others because we think we’ve made a superior product”) and humble self-restraint (they don’t spam for donations, they respect your workflow, they request but don’t guilt or demand) is the only reason people are willingly paying and not regretting it.

There are times when splitting a fullscreen terminal, switching over to zsh or fish, and opening vim and pearl plugins, serves me way better than opening up Sublime, and all of that stuff is more feature-rich and cost-free, but ST3 is still one of my top purchases this year because it’s polished, functional, helpful, pretty, and most of all apparently made with pride by people with good heads on their shoulders.

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#86

Why ST2 is $70 even 2017, five years since last release?
Easy answer. Because it is good software.

Want another oldie goldie? Give TransType 4 a spin.
Swear those two are identical twins, in digital Nirvana.

Darned if we do. No way we don’t. ANXIOUS?
:joy: :alarm_clock: :fire_engine: ((me too))

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#87

Which is WHY it works better. NO IDE!

You do not want Apple, or even worse Microsoft developing Sublime.

That would flush all of us straight down her Royal ST [something tank]… FRACK!

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