What new features are coming?

[agibsonsw]

ST already has gesture recognition. If you write the letter S in the air then ST will start automatically.
And retina recognition: if you stare at the centre of the screen and look slowly up and down the screen will scroll.

(not really )

[200]

Would be cool if he sold it to the Eclipse-team. What a wonderful fusion that would be.

Scala (best language ever, staticly typed, so IDE is a huge benefit) + Eclipse (awesome advanced) + Sublime Text 2 (extremely effective for writing) => Programmer’s paradise

[amphetamine]

[quote=“200”]Would be cool if he sold it to the Eclipse-team. What a wonderful fusion that would be.

Scala (best language ever, staticly typed, so IDE is a huge benefit) + Eclipse (awesome advanced) + Sublime Text 2 (extremely effective for writing) => Programmer’s paradise [/quote]

Sounds to me like one gigantic, bloated mess whose manual would be illegal to print in the interests of rainforest conservation.

[sublimator]

Yeah, sublime text with really good intelligent refactoring/navigation tools would be amazing.

It’s really incredible what you can do with Eclipse and Java if you can tolerate the slowness and horrible low level editing.

Scala is super Java by the sounds. Surely IDEs don’t need to be as slow as all that?

I could definitely live without most of persistent views like ‘outline views’ in favour of ‘nothing but the code’

[mark4]

if Jon sells to either Microsoft or Eclipse ill NEVER be buying any upgrades from them. ive never seen a single microsoft product that was worth a damn SPECIALLY their not IDE, and Eclipse is one of the single worst (badly designed, badly implemented, badly interfaced) pieces of software ive ever been forced to use. EVERY key press was sheer agony (only slightly worse than netbeans).

THIS editor just blows my mind. If Jon sells it at all it will degrade into a bloated pile of “make it do everything and who cares about the bugs or speed” horse manure. NOBODY will put their heart and soul into it the way he has.

if you are not offered at least 20 million dont take it jon!

[xeno.by]

Yeah, sublime text with really good intelligent refactoring/navigation tools would be amazing

There exists a beta-level integration with Scala’s presentation compiler called “Ensime” on package control. We have already implemented on-the-fly error highlighting, completion and go to definition. I hope after the release of Scala 2.10.0-final I’ll get some time to work on stabilization. You guys could help as well. Sorry for hijacking the thread, but that was a very good chance to speak up. If you’re interested, let’s discuss at SublimeScala - IDE-like features for Scala.

[sublimator]

Thanks I don’t really code in java ATM (was doing droid app) let alone Scala

Though Scala mentioner will surely enjoy

[Dude]

I guess Jon is trying to sell his company.

I really hope he won’t sell the project and this is just a joke
Big companies often mess up superb software…

[john_ferrier]

[quote=“Dude”]

I guess Jon is trying to sell his company.

I really hope he won’t sell the project and this is just a joke
Big companies often mess up superb software…[/quote]

This is the thing most likely to happen in the future for ST (Similar thing happened many times in SV in the past decade).

[pier]

This is the thing most likely to happen in the future for ST (Similar thing happened many times in SV in the past decade).

Excuse my ignorance… but what is SV?

[suter]

[quote=“pier”]

This is the thing most likely to happen in the future for ST (Similar thing happened many times in SV in the past decade).

Excuse my ignorance… but what is SV?[/quote]

I believe he’s referring to Silicon Valley.

[jbrooksuk]

I believe he’s referring to Silicon Valley.

I thought Jon was from Australia…?

[swah]

C++ is often used in places it shouldn’t, but for ST2 it was a major win.

[john_ferrier]

[quote=“jbrooksuk”]

I believe he’s referring to Silicon Valley.

I thought Jon was from Australia…?[/quote]

Yes, SV=Silicon Valley.
I know Jon is Australia, but look at what happened in the past: small companies, with some brilliant ideas or pieces of softwares…, I don’t think living in Australia makes any difference.

[agibsonsw]

C++ is often used in places it shouldn’t, but for ST2 it was a major win.

I believe Notepad++ was built on C++. I was reading that C++ was supposedly in decline, as it hasn’t kept
pace with other languages?

Apologies, as I appreciate this a little off topic. Andy.

[pete340]

[quote=“agibsonsw”]I was reading that C++ was supposedly in decline, as it hasn’t kept
pace with other languages?[/quote]

That’s what the proponents of “other languages” want you to believe. C++ is alive and well and growing.

[amphetamine]

And also with the new C++11 standard the features for things like threading are actually better than the parallels in languages like Java (at least, from what I’ve seen so far).

I can see why people outside specific domains like systems programming and games dev were moving away from it before but C++11 has really brought it up to par again.

I think there’s often a lot of confusion about that whole “keeping pace” thing, as well. C++ can’t keep pace with modern high-level languages and it wasn’t meant to. The fact that someone actually has to work out how to convert these specified features into the assembly language of many, many different architecture families (lots of which have extremely basic instruction sets) directly restricts how complicated C++ can become. Its own development is implicitly linked to the development of more complicated and capable CPUs. Not to mention the other complicating factors like the multi-paradigm design and the fact that the STL focuses as much on efficiency guarantees as on features.

[pier]

That’s what the proponents of “other languages” want you to believe. C++ is alive and well and growing.

Well, according to TIOBE the interest in C++ (and Java) has been falling during the last decade.

tiobe.com/index.php/content/ … index.html

The TIOBE Programming Community index is an indicator of the popularity of programming languages. The index is updated once a month. The ratings are based on the number of skilled engineers world-wide, courses and third party vendors. The popular search engines Google, Bing, Yahoo!, Wikipedia, Amazon, YouTube and Baidu are used to calculate the ratings. Observe that the TIOBE index is not about the best programming language or the language in which most lines of code have been written.

[agibsonsw]

TIOBE is skewed in terms of C languages though. I believe it gives a false impression about C/C++. In particular, there aren’t as many C programmers as it indicates: try searching ‘c’

[pier]

TIOBE is skewed in terms of C languages though. I believe it gives a false impression about C/C++. In particular, there aren’t as many C programmers as it indicates: try searching ‘c’

Also TIOBE is not based on real usage, but only in the interest in a language through web searches. That’s why I quoted where they get their numbers from… AFAIK there’s not a better way to measure how successful a language is. If we had real data like how many programmers work in each language… but that is simply impossible.

The other source is Langpop which is also based on number of web searches, although I think it measures the whole data, not monthly data like TIOBE.

langpop.com/